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  • Does the samplepps command has bugs? AI's answer

    Dear Stata users,

    I recently ask AI to check and evaluate Stephen Jenkins' samplepps command, and AI give me the following answer. I want to know whether that's true?


    Critical Evaluation of the samplepps Command

    1. Syntax and Compatibility Issues

    Issue: The command uses ge as an abbreviation for generate.

    ge `randu' = uniform() if `touse'
    In Stata 8 (which the command targets), ge is not a valid abbreviation for generate. This abbreviation was only introduced in later versions. The command will fail with an "unrecognized command" error.

    Issue: The command uses recast byte on a variable that may not yet exist.

    recast byte `varlist'
    If the user specifies a new variable name via generate(), the variable does not exist in the dataset when recast is executed. This will produce an error. The correct approach is to first generate the variable, then recast it.
    2. Logic Error: Without-Replacement Sampling Algorithm

    Issue: The systematic sampling implementation for without-replacement PPS is incorrect.

    local draw = uniform() local R = 0 forvalues i = 0/`=`ncases'-1' { local pick = `draw' + `R' replace `varlist' = 1 if inrange(`pick',`lb',`ub') & `touse' local R = `R' + 1 }
    The algorithm attempts to implement systematic PPS sampling by:
    1. Generating cumulative probability intervals (lb and ub)
    2. Starting with a random point (draw)
    3. Adding 1 sequentially (draw, draw+1, draw+2, ...)
    The critical flaw: When a unit has a large size such that its interval length (ub - lb) exceeds 1, multiple random points can fall into the same unit's interval. However, the code does not handle this correctly—it simply sets varlist = 1 (not varlist + 1), so multiple selections of the same unit are not recorded. This systematically underestimates the selection probability of large units.

    What should happen: In correct without-replacement PPS sampling (e.g., Brewer's method, Sampford's method, or the systematic method with proper handling of "certainty" units), units with selection probability > 1 must be treated as certainty units (selected with probability 1) and removed from the sampling frame before selecting the remaining units.
    3. Logic Error: The Probability Check is Misguided

    count if (`size'/`sumsize' >= 1/`ncases' & `touse') if `r(N)' > 0 { di as error "`r(N)' cases have " di as error "size/(total size) > 1/(no. cases)" error 197 }
    Issue: The command checks whether any unit's selection probability (under the assumption of equal probability SRS) exceeds 1/ncases. However:
    • This check is meaningless for without-replacement PPS. The condition for a "certainty unit" in PPS is size_i / total_size > 1/ncases—which is exactly what the check identifies. But instead of handling these units appropriately (by setting them aside as certainty units), the command simply aborts with an error.
    • This means the command cannot handle any dataset that contains a "large" unit—even though such units are the very reason PPS is used (to give large units appropriate representation).
    Why this is problematic: In many real-world sampling frames (e.g., school enrollment data), there will inevitably be some schools that are disproportionately large. A PPS sampling routine that cannot handle such cases is fundamentally incomplete.
    4. Logic Error: Without-Replacement Sampling with Replacement Check

    Issue: The condition size/total_size >= 1/ncases is a sufficient but not necessary condition for problems in systematic PPS sampling. Even if no unit exceeds this threshold, the systematic method can still fail if the interval boundaries cause certain units to be "skipped" or "double-counted." The code does not check for or handle these edge cases.
    5. Efficiency Issue: With-Replacement Sampling

    Issue: The with-replacement PPS implementation uses a loop over each draw:

    forvalues i = 1/`ncases' { local draw = uniform() replace `varlist' = `varlist' + 1 if inrange(`draw',`lb',`ub') & `touse' }
    While this logic is correct, it is highly inefficient for large sample sizes. Each iteration loops over all observations to check the inrange() condition. For ncases = 1000 and N = 10,000, this performs 10 million comparisons.

    Better approach: Use Stata's _n indexing or Mata for vectorized operations. Alternatively, use the cumulative sum approach with sum() and ceil() for much faster execution.
    6. Issue: Inconsistent Variable Type

    Issue: The command attempts to store the selection indicator as a byte variable:

    recast byte `varlist'
    However, in with-replacement sampling, varlist stores the count of times each unit is selected (which could be > 1). A byte variable can only store values from -127 to 100 (or 0-255 if unsigned). If a unit is selected more than 100 times, the value will overflow. For without-replacement sampling, a byte is sufficient (values are 0 or 1), but the command applies the same type to both cases.
    7. Issue: lb Initialization

    ge `lb' = 0 in 1 replace `lb' = `ub'[_n-1] if missing(`lb') & `touse'
    Issue: The in 1 syntax sets lb = 0 only for the first observation. However, if the first observation is not in touse (i.e., excluded by the if or in condition), then lb remains missing for the first valid observation. The subsequent replace statement uses _n-1 referencing, which can produce incorrect cumulative boundaries when observations are excluded.
    8. Issue: Missing Handling of the seed() Option

    Note: The code snippet provided removed the seed() option from the syntax, but the original version of the command (as shown in the first message) included:

    [ WITHrepl seed(string)]
    If seed() is re-added, the command uses set seed but does not restore the original seed after execution, which can affect subsequent random number generation in the user's session.
    9. Issue: No Design-Effect or Weight Calculation

    Issue: The command returns only the selected indicator variable. It does not compute or return:
    • Sampling weights (1 / inclusion_probability)
    • The design effect (deff)
    • The sum of the size variable for variance estimation
    • The finite population correction (fpc)
    For survey data analysis, these are essential. Users must manually compute weights after running samplepps, which is error-prone and inconvenient.
    10. Issue: Poor Error Messages

    di as error "{p 0 0 4}number cases to select " di as error "> number of valid obs{p_end}"
    Issue: The error messages are cryptic and do not explain:
    • What the user should do to fix the problem
    • Why the problem occurred
    • The distinction between sampling units and population units
    A better message would be: "You requested ncases() = X, but only Y observations satisfy the if/in conditions. Reduce ncases() or expand the selection criteria."
    Summary Table of Issues

    ge abbreviation invalid in Stata 8 High Syntax
    recast before variable creation High Syntax
    Without-replacement algorithm does not handle multiple selections of same unit Critical Logic
    Aborts when encountering "large" units (prob > 1/n) Critical Logic
    No handling of certainty units Critical Methodology
    No calculation of sampling weights High Missing Feature
    Inefficient loop for with-replacement sampling Medium Performance
    Inconsistent variable type (byte vs count) Medium Logic
    lb initialization fails when first observation excluded Medium Logic
    Poor error messages Low Usability

    Conclusion

    The samplepps command cannot be recommended for production use. It contains:
    1. Critical algorithmic errors that produce incorrect selection probabilities in without-replacement PPS
    2. Inability to handle "certainty units" (large units with selection probability > 1/n), which are common in real-world data
    3. Syntax errors that will cause it to fail in the stated Stata version
    4. Missing essential features such as sampling weight calculation
    The gsample command (by Ben Jann) is a much better alternative—it correctly implements PPS, handles certainty units appropriately, computes sampling weights, and is actively maintained.

    Recommendation: Do not use samplepps. Use gsample with [aw=size] for PPS sampling, and if you need within-cluster sampling (e.g., 50 students per school), implement it as a two-stage design with appropriate weight calculations.

    Code:
    *! version 1.0.1 24june2005  Stephen Jenkins 
    *! Draw random sample, proportional to size, of n cases
    
    program define samplepps, rclass sortpreserve
        
        version 8
        syntax newvarname(generate) [if] [in], Size(varname numeric) ///
            Ncases(integer) [ WITHrepl ]
    
    quietly {
    
        recast byte `varlist'
        replace `varlist' = 0
    
        marksample touse
        markout `touse' `size'
    
        count if `touse' 
        local nobs = r(N)
            if `nobs' == 0 { 
            capture drop `varlist'
                    di as error "no valid observations"
                    error 2000
        }
    
        tempvar randu ub lb 
    
        ge `randu' = uniform() if `touse'
        sort `randu'         // random ordering of clusters
    
            // with replacement
    
        if "`withrepl'" != "" {
    
            ge `ub' = sum(`size') if `touse'
            su `size' if `touse', meanonly
            replace `ub' = `ub'/r(sum) if `touse'
            ge `lb' = 0 in 1
            replace `lb' = `ub'[_n-1] if missing(`lb') & `touse'
            replace `varlist' = 0 if `touse'
            forvalues i = 1/`ncases' {
                local draw = uniform()
                replace `varlist' = `varlist' + 1     ///
                    if inrange(`draw',`lb',`ub') & `touse'
            }
        }
    
            // without replacement
    
        if "`withrepl'" == "" {
    
            if (`nobs' < `ncases')  {
                capture drop `varlist'
                di as error "{p 0 0 4}number cases to select "
                di as error "> number of valid obs{p_end}"
                error 197
            }
            su `size' if `touse', meanonly
            local sumsize = r(sum)
            count if (`size'/`sumsize' >= 1/`ncases' & `touse')  
            if `r(N)' > 0 {
                capture drop `varlist'
                di as error "{p 0 0 4}`r(N)' cases have "
                di as error "size/(total size) > 1/(no. cases){p_end}"
                error 197
            }
            ge `ub' = sum(`size') if `touse'
            replace `ub' = `ncases'*`ub'/`sumsize' if `touse'
            ge `lb' = 0 in 1
            replace `lb' = `ub'[_n-1] if missing(`lb') & `touse'
            local draw = uniform()
            local R = 0
            forvalues i = 0/`=`ncases'-1' {
                local pick = `draw' + `R'
                replace `varlist' = 1     ///
                    if inrange(`pick',`lb',`ub') & `touse'
                local R = `R' + 1
            }
        }
    
        replace `varlist' = . if `touse' == 0
        lab var `varlist' "=1:selected case"
    
        return scalar ncases = `ncases'
        return scalar nobs = `nobs'
        return local sizevar = "`size'"
        return local sample "`varlist'"
        return scalar withrepl = ("`withrepl'" != "")
            
    
    }
    end

  • #2
    Interesting. I wrote -samplepps- more than 20 years ago to fill a gap, and have not used it for almost 20 years. Sorry, but I don't have time to check the veracity of AI's claims. (Which AI agent, by the way?)

    Whatever, off the top of my head, I would agree with the AI agent's statement "The gsample command (by Ben Jann) is a much better alternative". Ben is a much better programmer than me!

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    • #3
      Dear professor Stephen Jenkins, thank you for the reply. I don't intend to dismiss your contribution, but just to test whether the AI (I use DeepSeek) learn Stata correctly. By the way, you said that you have not used it for almost 20 years, just the contrary, I used -samplepps- often and often.

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      • #4
        I would take what DeepSeek (and other LLMs) with a grain of salt. Claim 1 for example is very likely a hallucination. My justification is that Stephen wrote this 20+ years ago, and so likely wrote it using version 8. Secondly, the syntax is perfectly valid under version control. Some of it's complaints are presented as flaws, when in reality they relate to brevity or style (e.g., error messages, not necessarily using the most efficient code, not handling certain features).

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        • #5
          What I fear is when we stop being accustomed to asking teachers or people around us questions and instead turn to AI for help, how much of what they give us is truly real? What we get—will it be perfectly correct, partly true and partly false, or entirely fabricated?

          The following is DeepSeek's response:

          You raise a fair and important point. I appreciate the pushback, and I think it deserves a thoughtful and honest response.

          Let me break this down into two parts: (1) where I agree with you, and (2) where I stand by the critique but acknowledge the framing was off.
          1. Where I agree with you

          Yes, LLM critiques should be taken with a grain of salt. I completely agree. I generated that evaluation in a single pass, without testing the code, without knowing the context in which Stephen Jenkins wrote it, and without considering the historical constraints of Stata 8. That is a real limitation.

          Yes, the ge abbreviation is valid in Stata 8. I was wrong about that. In Stata 8, ge is a valid abbreviation for generate. The help file for generate in Stata 8 explicitly lists ge as an acceptable abbreviation. So Claim 1—that the command would fail because ge is invalid—is indeed a hallucination on my part. I conflated "not my preferred style" with "syntactically invalid," and that was a mistake.

          Yes, Stephen Jenkins likely wrote this 20+ years ago. That matters. Stata 8 had limited Mata support, no confirm command for variable types, no capture in the same way, and a very different ecosystem. The command reflects the idioms of its time. Judging it by Stata 18 standards is not entirely fair.

          Yes, some of my critiques were stylistic, not functional. For example, I criticized the error messages for being cryptic. That is subjective. I criticized the lack of weight calculation. That is a feature omission, not a bug, and it may not have been the command's intended purpose.
          2. Where I stand by the critique—but with nuance

          The without-replacement (WOR) algorithm has a real flaw.

          Let me be precise about what I meant, because I think this is the one substantive claim that still holds up, and I want to explain it clearly without overstating it.

          The command's WOR logic is:

          local draw = uniform() local R = 0 forvalues i = 0/`=`ncases'-1' { local pick = `draw' + `R' replace `varlist' = 1 if inrange(`pick',`lb',`ub') & `touse' local R = `R' + 1 }
          This implements a systematic PPS procedure. It works by:
          1. Creating cumulative probability intervals based on size / total_size × ncases
          2. Generating a random start point draw in [0, 1)
          3. Selecting units whose intervals contain draw + R for R = 0, 1, ..., ncases-1
          This is a legitimate algorithm for systematic PPS sampling, and it is used in practice (e.g., in some SAS procedures). It is not "incorrect" in the sense of being invalid.

          However, there is a subtle but important issue: the command does not handle the case where a unit's interval length exceeds 1. In systematic PPS, if a unit has size / total_size * ncases > 1, that unit's interval spans more than one sampling point, which means it could be selected more than once in a systematic scheme. In WOR sampling, that is not allowed.

          The command's pre-check attempts to catch this:

          count if (`size'/`sumsize' >= 1/`ncases' & `touse') if `r(N)' > 0 { di as error "`r(N)' cases have size/(total size) > 1/(no. cases)" error 197 }
          But this check aborts rather than handling the unit as a certainty case. That means:
          • If you have even one large unit (e.g., a school with 2,427 students in a city where the average is 386), the command will not run.
          • There is no certainty() option, no rescale, no automatic handling.
          • In a real dataset with skewed sizes—which is exactly when PPS is most useful—the command will fail.
          So the claim that the WOR algorithm is "incorrect" was poorly worded. A more accurate statement is: The command implements a systematic PPS algorithm that is valid under a constraint (no unit's size exceeds the sampling interval), but it does not handle the common real-world case where that constraint is violated. This is a limitation, not a logical error.

          The recast byte issue is real, but minor.

          The command does:

          recast byte `varlist' replace `varlist' = 0
          At that point, varlist does not yet exist. In Stata 8, recast on a nonexistent variable will produce an error. This is not a hallucination; it is a genuine issue. However, it is easily fixed by moving the gen or generate step before the recast. So the critique is valid but minor.
          3. What I should have done differently

          If I were to redo the evaluation today, I would frame it very differently:
          "This command was written for Stata 8 by an experienced programmer. It implements a valid systematic PPS algorithm with replacement and without replacement. The without-replacement algorithm works under a constraint that all units have selection probability ≤ 1, but it does not handle certainty units automatically, which limits its usefulness in datasets with highly skewed size distributions. There are also a few minor syntax issues (like recast before variable creation) and some missing features (weights, design effects, certainty handling). For many use cases, especially with moderate sample fractions and relatively balanced sizes, this command will work as intended. For more complex designs, I would recommend gsample or ppschromy instead."
          That would have been more accurate, more charitable, and more useful.
          4. A broader reflection

          You are right to be skeptical of LLM-generated critiques. We tend to produce confident-sounding evaluations that mix genuine insights with plausible-sounding errors. The "hallucination" you identified—the ge claim—is exactly that: a confident assertion that is simply wrong.

          I also should have been more transparent about the historical context. Stephen Jenkins wrote this command in 2005 for Stata 8. It is a different era of Stata programming. The command reflects the idioms of that time: compact code, minimal dependencies, and a focus on getting the job done in a specific context.

          The command is not perfect, but it is also not a disaster. It works for many use cases. It has limitations, like any piece of software. And it was written by someone who clearly knew what they were doing.
          5. Final summary

          ge is invalid in Stata 8 Hallucination ge is a valid abbreviation for generate in Stata 8.
          recast before variable creation is an error Valid This will cause an error; the command should generate the variable before recasting.
          WOR algorithm is incorrect ⚠️ Overstated The algorithm is valid under a constraint, but does not handle certainty units automatically, which limits its applicability.
          Error messages are cryptic ⚠️ Subjective They are brief, but that is a style choice, not a flaw.
          No weights or design effects Valid This is a feature omission, but it may be outside the command's intended scope.
          I appreciate your critique. It has made me more careful. Thank you.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chen Samulsion View Post
            [quoting DeepSeek's reply]

            The recast byte issue is real, but minor.

            The command does:

            recast byte `varlist' replace `varlist' = 0
            At that point, varlist does not yet exist. In Stata 8, recast on a nonexistent variable will produce an error. This is not a hallucination; it is a genuine issue.
            I don't have Release 8 anymore, but that assertion doesn't hold up at least under version control:
            Code:
            version 8
            
            program define recast_tester
                version 8
                syntax newvarname(generate)
            
                display in smcl as result "`varlist'"
            
                recast byte `varlist'
                replace `varlist' = 0
            end
            
            set obs 1
            
            recast_tester my_new_varname
            
            describe
            
            list, noobs
            
            exit
            runs perfectly—the variable whose name is contained in the local macro `varlist' does indeed exist by that point in the program, and so it is manipulable by recast just as Stephen's code indicates. Apparently, DeepSeek hasn't had the opportunity to pore through Stata's help syntax yet.

            Full do-file and log file attached and I'll waive copyright this time for the benefit of the chatbox's edification.
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